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Let $c\in\mathbb{R}\setminus\{ 1\}$, $c>0$.

Let $U_i = \left\lbrace U_{i, 0}, U_{i, 1}, \dots \right\rbrace$, $U_i\in\mathbb{R}^\mathbb{N}$.

We know that $U_{n+1,k}=\frac{c^{n+1}}{c^{n+1}-1}U_{n,k+1}-\frac{1}{c^{n+1}-1}U_{n,k}$.

(As @TedShifrin pointed out, it can also be written $U_{n+1,k}=U_{n,k+1}+\frac{1}{c^{n+1}-1}\left(U_{n,k+1}-U_{n,k}\right)$)

(obviously it implies that if $\lvert U_k \rvert=n$ then $\lvert U_{k+1}\rvert=n-1$ etc)

Here is what I conjectured:

$$\forall h\in\mathbb{N}, U_{h,0}=\sum\limits_{p=0}^h\frac{c^{\frac{p^2+p}{2}}}{\left(\prod\limits_{i=1}^p\left(c^i-1\right)\right)\prod\limits_{i=1}^{h-p}\left(1-c^i\right)}U_{0,p}$$

I tested it for some values ($0,1,3,4$) and it seemed to work. Mathematica also verified it up to at least 10.

What do you think? If it IS true, how can I prove it?


Example with $c=4$, $h=2$ :

$U_{1,0}=\frac{4}{3}U_{0,1}-\frac{1}{3}U_{0,0}$, $U_{1,1}=\frac{4}{3}U_{0,2}-\frac{1}{3}U_{0,1}$

$U_{2,0}=\frac{16}{15}U_{1,1}-\frac{1}{15}U_{1,0}$

Therefore $U_{2,0}=\frac{16}{15}\left(\frac{4}{3}U_{0,2}-\frac{1}{3}U_{0,1}\right)-\frac{1}{15}\left(\frac{4}{3}U_{0,1}-\frac{1}{3}U_{0,0}\right)$

$U_{2,0}=U_{0,0}\left(\frac{1}{15\times 3}\right)-U_{0,1}\left(\frac{16}{15\times 3}+\frac{4}{15\times 3}\right)+U_{0,2}\left(\frac{16\times 4}{15\times 3}\right)$

$U_{2,0}=U_{0,0}\left(\frac{1}{45}\right)-U_{0,1}\left(\frac{4}{9}\right)+U_{0,2}\left(\frac{64}{45}\right)$

The formula gives us :

$U_{2,0}=U_{0,0}\left(\frac{4^0}{(1-4)(1-16)}\right)+U_{0,1}\left(\frac{4^1}{(4-1)(1-4)}\right)+U_{0,2}\left(\frac{4^3}{(16-1)(4-1)}\right)$

$U_{2,0}=U_{0,0}\left(\frac{1}{45}\right)+U_{0,1}\left(\frac{-4}{9}\right)+U_{0,2}\left(\frac{64}{45}\right)$

robjohn
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    What’s $U_{h,0}$? You only seem to have defined $U_{i,j}$ for $j\ge1$. It’s also not clear what you mean for the $U_i$ to be. You define $U_i$ as a set, and then you say something about $U$ with no subscripts, but $U$ doesn’t appear before or after your mention it. – Steve Kass May 27 '14 at 00:40
  • @SteveKass I edited it, Is it better now – Hippalectryon May 27 '14 at 05:26
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    You still haven’t defined $U_{h,0}$, so how can you show it equals anything? Can you give a small specific example, with sequences of real numbers? That would really help! – Steve Kass May 27 '14 at 16:04
  • @SteveKass i added an example, is it ok ? – Hippalectryon May 27 '14 at 16:26
  • That helps a lot! Taking a closer look now. – Steve Kass May 27 '14 at 16:30
  • In the third line, is the coefficient of $U_{n,k+1}$ supposed to be $\frac{c^{n+1}}{c^{n+1}-1}$? – robjohn May 29 '14 at 00:53
  • @robjohn Oh thank you I changed it by error in the last edit – Hippalectryon May 29 '14 at 01:08
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    I wonder if you'll attract some knowledgable SEers if you add the tag (q-series) or (q-theory) to this. The question has that flavor to it. By the way, I verified in Mathematica that your formula holds up to $h=8$ for several values of $c$, so I have no doubt it's correct. The sloppy Mathematica code I used is here: http://pastebin.com/Xa4z7isb – Steve Kass May 29 '14 at 02:42
  • Why did you change the title to "some problem [clo sed]"? – Steve Kass May 29 '14 at 18:59
  • @SteveKass Because I don't wanna draw too much attention with the bounty - it was just meant to find someone able to solve the problem, but now that's it's done, it's useless – Hippalectryon May 29 '14 at 19:10
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    People can see that you've accepted an answer, never mind that additional answers can't be a bad thing. On the other hand, you did make the title less useful with your last edit. Please don't do that next time. – epimorphic May 29 '14 at 19:19
  • @epimorphic Okay – Hippalectryon May 29 '14 at 19:21
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    By the way, in case you weren't aware, you can manually award a bounty after 24 hours. Doing so will allow you to minimize the "disruption" if you're still worried about that. – epimorphic May 29 '14 at 19:27
  • @epimorphic yeah i saw that but i still need to wait some hours ;) – Hippalectryon May 29 '14 at 19:28
  • @SteveKass: it would be interesting to see if there were a solution using q-series. The formula in Equation $(5)$ of my answer involves a $q$-binomial: $$(-1)^{n-p}c^{p(p+1)/2}\binom{n}{p}_{\large c}$$ – robjohn May 30 '14 at 00:16

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Let $S$ be the shift operator on sequences. That is, for any sequence, $a$, $$ (Sa)_i=a_{i+1}\tag{1} $$ Then, the recursion becomes $$ U_n=\frac{c^nS-I}{c^n-1}U_{n-1}\tag{2} $$ Consider the polynomial $$ \prod_{k=1}^n\left(c^kx-1\right)=\sum_{p=0}^na_{n,p}x^p\tag{3} $$ We have that $a_{n,0}=(-1)^n$ and since each $x=c^{-k}$, for $1\le k\le n$, is a root of $(3)$, we have $$ \begin{align} 0 &=\begin{bmatrix} 1&c^{-1}&c^{-2}&\cdots&c^{-n}\\ 1&c^{-2}&c^{-4}&\cdots&c^{-2n}\\ 1&c^{-3}&c^{-6}&\cdots&c^{-3n}\\ \vdots&\vdots&\vdots&\ddots&\vdots\\ 1&c^{-n}&c^{-2n}&\cdots&c^{-n^2} \end{bmatrix} \begin{bmatrix} a_{n,0}\\ a_{n,1}\\ a_{n,2}\\ \vdots\\ a_{n,n} \end{bmatrix}\\ &=\begin{bmatrix} 1&1&1&\cdots&1\\ 1&c^{-1}&c^{-2}&\cdots&c^{-n}\\ 1&c^{-2}&c^{-4}&\cdots&c^{-2n}\\ \vdots&\vdots&\vdots&\ddots&\vdots\\ 1&c^{1-n}&c^{2-2n}&\cdots&c^{n-n^2} \end{bmatrix} \begin{bmatrix} c^{-0}a_{n,0}\\ c^{-1}a_{n,1}\\ c^{-2}a_{n,2}\\ \vdots\\ c^{-n}a_{n,n} \end{bmatrix}\tag{4} \end{align} $$ That is, $c^{-p}a_{n,p}$ is proportional to $(-1)^p$ times the determinant of the submatrix gotten by removing column $p$ from the matrix in $(4)$. Each of those submatrices is a Vandermonde matrix. Thus, we can compute $$ \begin{align} c^{-p}a_{n,p} &=\frac{\displaystyle(-1)^p\prod_{k=1}^n(1-c^{-k})}{\displaystyle\prod_{k=0}^{p-1}(c^{-p}-c^{-k})\prod_{k=p+1}^n(c^{-k}-c^{-p})}\\ &=\frac{\displaystyle c^{p(p-1)/2}\prod_{k=1}^n(c^k-1)}{\displaystyle\prod_{k=1}^p(c^k-1)\prod_{k=1}^{n-p}(1-c^k)}\tag{5} \end{align} $$ Thus, using $(3)$ and $(5)$, we get $$ \prod_{k=1}^n\frac{c^kx-1}{c^k-1}=\sum_{p=0}^n\frac{\displaystyle c^{p(p+1)/2}}{\displaystyle\prod_{k=1}^p(c^k-1)\prod_{k=1}^{n-p}(1-c^k)}x^p\tag{6} $$ Combining $(2)$ (repeatedly) and $(6)$ yields $$ \begin{align} U_n &=\left[\prod_{k=1}^n\frac{c^kS-I}{c^k-1}\right]U_0\\[6pt] &=\sum_{p=0}^n\frac{\displaystyle c^{p(p+1)/2}}{\displaystyle\prod_{k=1}^p(c^k-1)\prod_{k=1}^{n-p}(1-c^k)}S^pU_0\tag{7} \end{align} $$ Element $0$ of $(7)$ is the equation desired.


Finding A Perpendicular Vector

Suppose we have $n$ linearly independent vectors, $\{v_k\}$, in $\mathbb{R}^{n+1}$ and we want to find a vector perpendicular to all of them. Arrange the $n$ vectors as the bottom rows of an $n{+}1\times n{+}1$ matrix, with an unknown vector, $u$, as the top row: $$ M=\begin{bmatrix} u_0&u_1&u_2&\dots&u_n\\ v_{1,0}&v_{1,1}&v_{1,2}&\dots&v_{1,n}\\ v_{2,0}&v_{2,1}&v_{2,2}&\dots&v_{2,n}\\ \vdots&\vdots&\vdots&\ddots&\vdots\\ v_{n,0}&v_{n,1}&v_{n,2}&\dots&v_{n,n}\\ \end{bmatrix}\tag{8} $$ Using Laplace's formula for the determinant, we get $$ \det(M)=u_0\det(M_0)-u_1\det(M_1)+u_2\det(M_2)-u_3\det(M_3)+\dots\tag{9} $$ where $M_k$ is the $n\times n$ matrix formed by removing the top row and column $k$ from $M$. If we replace $u$ by any of the $v_k$, $\det(M)=0$. That is, the vector $$ \begin{bmatrix}\det(M_0),-\det(M_1),\det(M_2),\dots,(-1)^n\det(M_n))\end{bmatrix}\tag{10} $$ is perpendicular to each of the $v_k$.


A Shortcut With Particular Vandermonde Determinants

Suppose we have the $n\times n{+}1$ Vandermonde matrix $$ X=\begin{bmatrix} x_0^0&x_1^0&x_2^0&\dots&x_n^0\\ x_0^1&x_1^1&x_2^1&\dots&x_n^1\\ x_0^2&x_1^2&x_2^2&\dots&x_n^2\\ \vdots&\vdots&\vdots&\ddots&\vdots\\ x_0^{n-1}&x_1^{n-1}&x_2^{n-1}&\dots&x_n^{n-1}\\ \end{bmatrix}\tag{11} $$ Let $X_p$ be the submatrix of $X$ with column $p$ removed. Then, using the formula for the determinant of a Vandermonde matrix, we have $$ \det(X_p)=\frac{\displaystyle\prod_{0\le j\lt k\le n}(x_k-x_j)}{\displaystyle\prod_{i=0}^{p-1}(x_p-x_i)\prod_{i=p+1}^n(x_i-x_p)}\tag{12} $$ that is, the products in the denominator remove the terms in the numerator that contain $x_p$. Since the numerator in $(12)$ does not depend on $p$, we can factor out the numerator, for example, when computing a vector parallel to $$ \begin{bmatrix} \det(X_0),-\det(X_1),\det(X_2),\dots,(-1)^n\det(X_n) \end{bmatrix}\tag{13} $$ as is done in $(5)$.

robjohn
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Here’s what I hope is a good start. I’m stuck at the very end, but maybe you can finish it up. (It is homework, after all.) The special functions experts might have a quicker way to answer this, I imagine.

For $h=0$, the desired result is exactly what “we know.”

Use induction, and assume the result for $h<M$.

$$ \begin{align} U_{M,0}&=\frac{c^M}{c^M-1}(U_{M-1,1})-\frac{1}{c^M-1}(U_{M-1,0})\\ &=\frac{c^M}{c^M-1}(U_{M-1,1})- \frac{1}{c^M-1}\sum\limits_{p=0}^{M-1}\frac{c^{\frac{p^2+p}{2}}}{\left(\prod\limits_{i=1}^p\left(c^i-1\right)\right)\prod\limits_{i=1}^{{M-1}-p}\left(1-c^i\right)}U_{0,p}\\ &=\frac{c^M}{c^M-1}(U_{M-1,1})+\frac{1}{1-c^M}\sum\limits_{p=0}^{M-1}\frac{c^{\frac{p^2+p}{2}}}{\left(\prod\limits_{i=1}^p\left(c^i-1\right)\right)\dfrac{\prod\limits_{i=1}^{{M}-p}\left(1-c^i\right)}{1-c^{M{\color{red}{-p}}}}}U_{0,p} \\ &\mbox{*** Earlier answer omitted the part in red ***}\\ &=\frac{c^M}{c^M-1}(U_{M-1,1})+\frac{1}{1-c^M}\sum\limits_{p=0}^{M-1}\frac{c^{\frac{p^2+p}{2}}}{\left(\prod\limits_{i=1}^p\left(c^i-1\right)\right)\dfrac{\prod\limits_{i=1}^{{M}-p}\left(1-c^i\right)}{1-c^{M{-p}}}}U_{0,p} \\ &=\frac{c^M}{c^M-1}(U_{M-1,1})+\frac{1}{\prod\limits_{i=1}^M (1-c^i)}+\frac{1}{1-c^M}\sum\limits_{p=1}^{M-1}\frac{c^{\frac{p^2+p}{2}}}{\prod\limits_{i=1}^p\left(c^i-1\right)\prod\limits_{i=1}^{{M}-1-p}\left(1-c^i\right)}U_{0,p}. \end{align}$$ The proof will be complete if you can show that this equals $$\sum\limits_{p=0}^M\frac{c^{\frac{p^2+p}{2}}}{\left(\prod\limits_{i=1}^p\left(c^i-1\right)\right)\prod\limits_{i=1}^{{M}-p}\left(1-c^i\right)}U_{0,p},$$

which after correcting my earlier error, I have no idea how to do. Another approach seems needed.

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  • I take c=4,M=2. $\frac{c^M}{c^M-1}(U_{M-1,1})=U_{0,M}\prod\limits_{i=1}^M\frac{c^i}{c^i-1}$ gives us $\frac{16}{15}(U_{1,1})=U_{0,2}\prod\limits_{i=1}^2\frac{4^i}{4^i-1}$. However, $U_{1,1}=\frac{16}{15}U_{0,2}-\frac{1}{15}U_{0,1}$... According to your formula, there shouldn't be any $U_{0,1}$ right ? – Hippalectryon May 27 '14 at 17:39
  • Sorry, I don't understand your comment. The "we know that" in your original question would say that $U_{1,1}=\frac{4}{3}U_{0,2}-\frac{1}{3}U_{0,1}$. Not sure where you got your “However...” equation. – Steve Kass May 27 '14 at 18:12
  • Oh yeah i meant 4/3 and 1/3 - but we still have some $U_{0,1}$ ! – Hippalectryon May 27 '14 at 18:16
  • Yes, but that doesn't mean there's necessarily a problem. It's certainly possible that $U_{1,1}=\frac{4}{3}U_{0,2}-\frac{1}{3}U_{0,1}=\frac{16}{15}U_{0,2}$. – Steve Kass May 27 '14 at 18:33
  • There is no relation at all between $U_{0,k}$ and $U_{0,k'}$ (except using $U_{1,k}$, but that's useless) – Hippalectryon May 27 '14 at 18:34
  • I see what you say, but unfortunately I don't see where I went wrong yet. – Steve Kass May 27 '14 at 19:05
  • Neither do I ... it's really awkward – Hippalectryon May 27 '14 at 19:09
  • Found the mistake. Will annotate, and hopefully my approach is still useful. – Steve Kass May 27 '14 at 19:29
  • Sorry - now I've reached a dead-end. I'll see what else I can come up with. :( – Steve Kass May 27 '14 at 19:51