How do I prevent "s from turning into ß with babel?

Question

I'm writing a German document and thus I need äÄöÖüÜß to work. However I don't use it this way: "a"A"o... I just type äÄö...
My Problem is that "Test" s is displayed as "Testß

Here is a MWE:

% !TEX encoding=latin1
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage[ngerman]{babel}
\usepackage[latin1]{inputenc}
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc} 

\begin{document}
"Test" s
\end{document}

use utf8 instead of latin1 and it should work IMHO. Or it is a ngerman issue. — sztruks, Dec 01 '18 at 18:01
You should never use straight quotes. Use \glqq Term here\grqq if you want quotes in the output or resort to a package like csquotes. — TeXnician, Dec 01 '18 at 18:02
@sztruks I tried using utf8 in both places. Sadly that didn't change anything — Dr_DragonKiller, Dec 01 '18 at 18:05
@TeXnician using \usepackage[autostyle=true,german=quotes]{csquotes} and \enquote{test} s it works and I get the left one beeing down as well. Thanks — Dr_DragonKiller, Dec 01 '18 at 18:11
the use of " is an error you should use left and right quotes — David Carlisle, Dec 01 '18 at 18:11

egreg · Accepted Answer · 2018-12-02T08:12:49.853

The character " should never be used in running text to denote quotes. For double English quotes, use

``Test'' s

If you want German style quotes, use

"`Test"' s

With UTF-8 input, you can use

“Test” s

for English style and

„Test“ s

for German style. The alternative \glqq Test\grqq\ s is less convenient.

Examples:

\documentclass[a4paper]{article}
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
%\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc} % not needed with LaTeX after 2018-04-01
\usepackage[ngerman]{babel}

\usepackage{upquote,booktabs} % for the table

\begin{document}

\begin{tabular}{lll}
\toprule
\multicolumn{1}{c}{Style} &
\multicolumn{1}{c}{Input} &
\multicolumn{1}{c}{Output} \\
\midrule
English & \verb|``Test'' s| & ``Test'' s
\\
English & \verb|“Test” s| & “Test” s
\\
German & \verb|"`Test"' s| & "`Test"' s
\\
German & \verb|„Test“ s| & „Test“ s
\\
German & \verb|\glqq Test\grqq\ s| & \glqq Test\grqq\ s
\\
\bottomrule
\end{tabular}

\end{document}

@Dr.ManuelKuehner Table 1 in texdoc babel-ngerman. Thanks! — egreg, Dec 01 '18 at 21:10

GuM · Answer 2 · 2018-12-01T20:13:42.777

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Solution 3: use left and right quotes in the source too, as David Carlisle auggested:

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage[ngerman]{babel}
\usepackage[latin1]{inputenc}
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc} 

\begin{document}
“Test”s, and “test” s too (but I’d use “test”~s, then).
\end{document}

This is the output I get:

edited Dec 01 '18 at 20:13

answered Dec 01 '18 at 20:06

GuM

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+1: Good point: But I cannot find them on my German keyboard (as direct keys). – Dr. Manuel Kuehner Dec 01 '18 at 20:09
2

@Dr.ManuelKuehner: I have a Mac with an “international English” keyboard, so I can type them rather easily. I couldn’t stand using LaTeX with a different keyboard! :-) – GuM Dec 01 '18 at 20:15
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@GuM My advice is: buy whatever keyboard you prefer, so long as it is International English. – egreg Dec 01 '18 at 20:42
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@egreg Never have heard of international English keyboards :) – Dr. Manuel Kuehner Dec 01 '18 at 20:54

Dr. Manuel Kuehner · Answer 3 · 2018-12-01T20:05:15.803

If you want to use latin1 (which is ISO 8859-1), then I have collected two solutions which are already mentioned in the comments.

The problem is, that in some cases* "A, "O, "U, "a, "o, "u, "s are commands for special characters (instead of \"A, \"O or \ss{} for example). So LaTeX cannot know what you mean in your example.

*Depending on the loaded packages, in this case, the babel package.

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage[ngerman]{babel}
\usepackage[latin1]{inputenc}
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc} 

\usepackage{csquotes}

\begin{document}

\section*{They are all the same regarding the ß}

\begin{itemize}
\item "Test" s
\item " s
\item "s
\item But: "\ s % Thanks to comment of user Dũng Vũ
\end{itemize}

\section*{Solution 1: Use \texttt{babel}'s quotation marks}
% See also https://www.namsu.de/Extra/befehle/Anfuehrungszeichen.html
% https://de.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX-W%C3%B6rterbuch:_Anf%C3%BChrungszeichen
% \glqq --> German Left Double Quote
% \grqq --> German Right Double Quote
% \glq --> German Left Single Quote
% \grq --> German Right Single Quote

\begin{itemize}
\item \glqq Test\grqq\ s (Don't forget the \textbackslash\ after the command)
\item \glq Test\grq\ s
\end{itemize}

\section*{Solution 2: Use the \texttt{csquote} package}
% For more information, have a look at the manual
% https://ctan.org/pkg/csquotes

\enquote{Test} s

\end{document}

Note: On the screenshot, you see on the bottom right that I use the correct encoding in the editor, in this case ISO-8859-1 which is latin1.

@dũng-vũ I mentioned you in the "solution". – Dr. Manuel Kuehner Dec 01 '18 at 19:55 — Dr. Manuel Kuehner, Dec 01 '18 at 19:55

score 0 · Answer 4 · answered Jun 21 '21 at 12:28

Preventing the qoute character (") to change text to umlaute can be done using \shorthandoff{"}. To turn it back on, use \shorthandon{"}.

Both commands can be used anywhere in the document but not in the preamble. So to disable it for the whole document put it after \begin{document}

How do I prevent "s from turning into ß with babel?

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