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In this question (link) @PeterKämpf asked me to give a basis for my results. I will share my method for estimation here to see if you guys agree it is correct and how I can improve on it. Note that I use ISA equations where relevant.

Firstly, I estimate the Breguet constant from the PL-R diagrams of the A319-100 and B737-700 (found in the airport planning manuals). For that I use this equation, which is essentially the Breguet equation applied between points A and B (A being MPL+MTOW, B is MTOW+MFW):

$$ K_{sem,i} = \left( \frac{R_B - R_A}{\ln \left( \frac{OEW + PL_A}{OWE + PL_B} \right)} \right)_{sem,i} $$

From the PL-R diagrams: A319-100: R_A = 1463 km, PL_A = 15825 kg, R_B = 5800 km, PL_B = 3800 kg, OEW = 41100 kg (weight variant 00). B737-700: R_A = 3956 km, PL_A = 16860kg, R_B = 6236 km, PL_B = 10800 km, OEW = 38342 kg. — Results: K_A319 = 18277 km, K_B737 = 19607 km.

Using the definition of the Breguet constant, I can estimate their average aerodynamic efficiency, with the following equation:

$$ \left( \frac{L}{D} \right)_{sem,i} = K_{sem,i} \left( \frac{gc_{j,cr}}{V} \right) $$

For that I need cruising speed (A319: M0.78 at 11900m ISA = 230.15 m/s, B737: M0.785 at 11705m ISA+10ºC = 236.91 m/s) and sfc in cruising conditions. I have sfc at 35000 ft and M0.8 16.98 mg/Ns for the A319 and 17.02 mg/Ns in the same conditions for the B737). I adjust the sfc to cruising conditions using the following proportionality (note that beta = 0.5 for turbofan engines):

$$ c_j = \text{cte}(M)^\beta \sqrt{T} $$

I get adjusted values of 16.68 mg/Ns for the A319, 17.2 mg/Ns for the B737. Average aerodynamic efficiencies come out at 13 and 13.96, respectively. I can calculate the average lift coefficient using L=W:

$$ C_{L_{sem,i}} = \left( \frac{2 \frac{W_{cr}}{S_W}}{\rho V^2} \right)_{sem,i} = \left( \frac{2 \cdot 0.8 \frac{W_{TO}}{S_W}}{\rho V^2} \right)_{sem,i} $$

where I've estimated average cruising wing loading as 80% of take-off wing loading. The take-off wing loading of the A319 is 5129 Pa and for the B77 it's 5485 Pa. Density is in cruising conditions. Average lift coefficients come out as 0.4906 and 0.5023, respectively. Using the definition of the polar curve, I calculate CD0 using the following expression:

$$ C_{D0_{sem,i}} = C_{L_{sem,i}} \left( \frac{L}{D} \right)^{-1}_{sem,i} - \frac{C^2_{L_{sem,i}}}{\pi A_{sem,i} \varphi_{sem,i}} $$

where I've taken $\varphi = 0.9$ for both planes (since they have winglets). The aspect ratio of the A319 is 9.5, 9.4 for the B737. CD0 comes out as 0.0274 for the A319 and 0.0265 for the B737. This is off somewhat from the 0.014-0.02 range given by Torenbeek for high-subsonic jets.

Excuse the length, but hopefully you guys can help me improve this estimation or detect errors.

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    Please don't use images for formulas. I converted them to MathJax. If I made a mistake somehwere, please edit again (here is a MathJax tutorial and reference). – Bianfable Aug 22 '21 at 14:00
  • Does this method only take cruise conditions into account? Meaning: how is fuel consumption until reaching cruise altitude accounted for? – Koyovis Aug 23 '21 at 09:32
  • The other method for estimating the $C_{D0}$ is given in Torenbeek 5.3.1 and Appendix F: aeroplane component drag is compared with the friction drag of an equivalent flat plate having the same wetted area and length. $C_D$ of wing, fuselage, tailplane and engine nacelles are determined and added up. – Koyovis Aug 23 '21 at 09:50

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Thank you for sharing your calculation! Now I can see how you arrived at the results. Never mind the length: All that detail is essential for improving your results.

Regarding the Breguet equation I prefer to use the one here and here. This, using your data for the A319, gives $$\frac{L}{D} = \frac{g\cdot b_f\cdot R}{v\cdot ln\left(\frac{m_2}{m_1}\right)} = 17.63$$ with $v$ = 230 m/s, $R$ = 4,337,000 m, $g$ = 9.81 m/s², $b_f$ = 0.00001668 kg/Ns, $m_1$ = 62,925 kg and $m_2$ = 74,950 kg. You will notice that I changed the masses: You cannot use two different payloads for the Breguet equation; instead, all mass differences must be from fuel consumption. I now used the difference in payloads to compute the mass ratio between range 1 and range 2 and use that for the mass of the fuel consumed to cover $R$.

The result is a bit lower than what is usually used for the A319, which probably results from different payloads used for the two different ranges.

Your lift coefficient looks quite credible, even though you could do better than pick a mass reduction of 80% once you know the mass together with the altitude at one point during cruise. The Breguet equation is only valid under the assumption of a constant lift coefficient which is only possible when the airplane climbs continuously as fuel is consumed. In reality, flights get assigned flight levels and do a step climb if traffic control permits. But using the lift coefficient from one data point should be close enough.

Also your way of calculating $c_{D0}$ is good in principle, although I would prefer to lower the wing efficency to 0.85 – swept wings rarely perform better, winglets notwithstanding. If you allow me to use the more usual $\epsilon$ instead of $\varphi$, and if L/D is indeed 18 for the A319, the zero-lift drag coefficient becomes $$c_{D0} = \frac{c_L}{\frac{L}{D}} - \frac{c_L^2}{\pi\cdot AR\cdot\epsilon} = \frac{0.5}{18} - \frac{0.25}{3.14159\cdot9.5\cdot0.85} = 0.0179$$ which lies within the range given by Torenbeek. I only did the numbers for the A319; the B737 data should produce a very similar result.

Your biggest error was in applying the Breguet equation with the wrong masses. Also the masses themselves are too low: Just OEW and payload will not allow the airplane to fly: You need to add some fuel. And the mass fraction must be from the same flight at different times, with the range the distance covered between those times.


EDIT: Now that I know where your payload-range numbers are from, I can check your results. Since the inclination of the part of the diagram where payload is traded against fuel mass is the same for all MTOW figures, the resulting L/D numbers should also be the same.

From the brown line (75,500 kg MTOW) I read 7,500 km range with 10,000 kg payload and 5,000 km with 16,000 kg payload. This means the airplane consumes 6,000 kg of fuel for 2,500 km range. Since the range/fuel ratio becomes worse with increasing range, this figure cannot be used in isolation but helps to figure out the mass at the end of a median trip. Let's use a 6,250 km flight which is the middle of that range where payload is traded against fuel mass, so a fuel mass of 15,000 kg is consumed at the end of the flight. That makes the mass ratio 75,500 / 60,500 = 1.248 and the L/D = 17.6 with your SFC number. Close enough to 18, given my rounding of the mass figures.

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  • Thanks very much for the reply Peter, it is very detailed. However I think perhaps I didn't express myself correctly. The first equation is Breguet applied at point A of the PL-R diagram, point B of the PL-R diagram, subtract the equations and you get that expression. MTOW cancels out (that's where the fuel weight would be). Let me know if you understood it like that, I think perhaps your comment on applying the wrong masses is based on a misunderstanding. If I have misunderstood, ¿could you elaborate further on this point? Thanks in advance. – stevederekson555 Aug 22 '21 at 21:12
  • To clarify my comment, I mean that these are two different flights, but the Breguet constant (K) is always the same for any conceivable flight. So both flights take off at MTOW and their landing weights are OEW + PL_A and OEW + PL_B. – stevederekson555 Aug 22 '21 at 21:35
  • @stevederekson555 MTOW or fuel mass cannot cancel out in a fraction where numerator and denominator are sums. Also, landing weight should include fuel reserves. Again, you cannot take the masses from two different flights. – Peter Kämpf Aug 22 '21 at 21:38
  • I'm using this form of the Breguet equation: R = K*Ln(TOW/LW). It's a natural logarithm, so the subtractions turn into divisions. You're right that I'd have to include reserves though, that's a good point. But given that K is always the same for the aircraft I don't see why you can't perform this operation. – stevederekson555 Aug 22 '21 at 21:40
  • @stevederekson555 That is not how it is presented in the question. The fraction TOW/LW is correct, but must be from the same flight. TOW is never given in the question. – Peter Kämpf Aug 22 '21 at 21:44
  • It is given in the question, at point A defined at MTOW+MPL and point B defined at MTOW+MFW. It's MTOW/LW_1 and MTOW/LW2. So you're left with two different Breguet equations. You have everything except K, so you can obtain the expression for K from this, because K should be the same for both equations. – stevederekson555 Aug 22 '21 at 21:45
  • @stevederekson555 MTOW is maximum take-off mass. There cannot be a flight mass that is MTOW plus payload. Payload is part of MTOW. Please edit your question and fill in the numbers for each range separately. I think your original mistake is to assume that the take-off weight cancels out because it is the same in both equations. But that is misapplying the Breguet equation. – Peter Kämpf Aug 22 '21 at 21:51
  • Sure but it's TOW/LW. So if it takes off at MTOW, that includes the payload and the fuel weight. And in both flight conditions it takes off at MTOW, which is the same value for both flight conditions. So basically it's this: On the PL-R diagram you obtain two points, each has a payload, a range and a takeoff weight (namely MTOW). You can apply the Breguet equation Range = K*Ln(MTOW/LW). The LW is OEW + payload at that point (add reserves if needed). So you're left with a 2x2 system where everything is known but K, which is one and only for the aircraft. Why wouldn't MTOW cancel? – stevederekson555 Aug 22 '21 at 21:56
  • I really don't think it's a misapplication of the Breguet equation, I don't see how it can be. – stevederekson555 Aug 22 '21 at 21:57
  • Note that when I say MTOW+MPL I mean it takes off at MTOW with maximum payload, so this payload is included within MTOW. It's just a point on the PL-R diagram. – stevederekson555 Aug 22 '21 at 22:02
  • @stevederekson555 Look at each point separately. Yes, both should give the same K, but do them one after the other. What L/D do you get each time? It should be also the same and there is no need to solve a 2x2 system. Next you tell me the L/Ds also cancel out. – Peter Kämpf Aug 22 '21 at 22:04
  • Right so if you get the same K you should get the same L/D if the plane flies in the same cruising conditions (using design values). So when I calculate L/D like this from K (using the definition of K) for the A319, I get a value of 13, very different to what you get (16.7). Also Roskam gives typical values for cruising L/D for high subsonic jets are in the range of 13-15. I'm rereading your answer to see why but I can't find the issue. – stevederekson555 Aug 22 '21 at 22:10
  • @stevederekson555 https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/1738/how-does-the-boeing-787-dreamliners-glide-ratio-compare-to-other-airliners/13975#13975 – Peter Kämpf Aug 22 '21 at 22:31
  • This gets to the core of the question. Try to obtain K from the PL-R diagram for the A319, then L/D from K using the method we discussed here. If you get a lower than expected result, why do you think it is? I guess that is what I was trying to get at with this question. – stevederekson555 Aug 22 '21 at 22:38
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    The PL-R diagram can be found here on page 129, I obtained L/D = 13 from the 64000kg MTOW weight variant: https://www.airbus.com/aircraft/support-services/airport-operations-and-technical-data/aircraft-characteristics.html – stevederekson555 Aug 22 '21 at 22:40
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    @stevederekson555 Thank you a lot for the link! Please see my use of its figures which gives an L/D of 19 rsp. 17.6 in the added part of the answer. You must leave a sufficient fuel reserve and cannot land with dry tanks! – Peter Kämpf Aug 23 '21 at 00:43
  • Solid answer. Thanks. – stevederekson555 Aug 23 '21 at 11:49