To express possession you normally say
Das gehört mir.
or
Das ist meins.
But there are regions where people regularly say
Das ist mir.
Which are these regions and is there are terminus technicus for this dialectic form?
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Das ist mir... geläufig. Also in ripuarischen Dialekten kommt's vor. – Em1 Apr 07 '14 at 20:32
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Related: In welchen Regionen ist die dem-sein-Form gebräuchlich? – Wrzlprmft Apr 07 '14 at 20:40
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Ich glaube, das im Schwäbischen gehört zu haben. – Carsten S Apr 07 '14 at 20:51
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5Ripuarisch. Definitely. I grew up near Cologne. I moved to Northern Germany to attend university. My friends helped me shift flats in the uni town from a furnished place to a new apartment. They needed to identify what was to stay and what they should pack. Friend: "Der Stuhl da?" - Me: "Der ist mir." - Friend: "Der ist meiner." - Me: "Nein, das ist nicht dein Stuhl. Der ist *mir*!" That pattern went on for a while until I clocked that they were correcting my grammar. – teylyn Apr 08 '14 at 06:50
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3@teylyn, und wem war der Stuhl nun wirklich? – Carsten S Apr 08 '14 at 07:50
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@teylyn: Very funny! :-) – vonjd Apr 08 '14 at 07:53
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3@CarstenSchultz, mir natürlich. Der war nicht dem! – teylyn Apr 08 '14 at 09:47
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I don't know whether "possessive dative" is a current grammar term, but one might called the thing in this way. "Das ist mir" - I would consider this use as regional and substandard, but I don't know in which regions this expression is used. But "Das ist doch dem Paul sein Fahrrad" is colloquial language. I even remember the title of an older dictionary: Dem deutschen Volk sein Wörterbuch.
I just see that Die Grammatik (Duden, 8th edition) also has the term "possessive dative". In the register: Dativ, possessiv. In paragraph 1275 Duden says that possessive dative has been known in the whole of the German speaking area for a long time, but it is not standard language ( Duden should add "in written language").
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1So you're saying that "Das ist mir" is said all over the country with similar frequency? I doubt that. "Dem sein" is one thing, "das ist mir" is another thing, even if they can be described with the same grammatical term. – Emanuel Apr 08 '14 at 10:13
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I wrote "Das ist mir" is regional and I don't know where it is said. Duden says the possessive dative is known everywhere, but he means constructions with dative + sein/e as in Das ist dem Maier sein Auto/seine Frau. – rogermue Apr 08 '14 at 10:29
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3@rogermue... well, then I don't see how this is an answer because OP wanted to know WHAT regions this is asked in. The answer got accepted for some reason but I don't think it matches the question very well. – Emanuel Apr 08 '14 at 10:34
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@Emanuel I answered mainly the question is there an accepted term. At first I used a term I would use, but then I found that the Duden grammar uses this term as well. As to where "Das ist mir" one should consult the Deutscher Sprachatlas, but I hadn't the time. – rogermue Apr 08 '14 at 10:49
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@rogermue: It's frequently used in Swiss German. Since that is Alemannic language zone, I'd say you'd probably meet the expression in Southern Germany and Western Austria, too. – Quandary Apr 09 '14 at 11:54
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I'm from Hesse(n) and I use "Das ist mir" all the time, even when I try not to.
Fun fact, I didn't know this wasn't standard German until I started university. I just thought it was colloquial. I wouldn't have written it down in an essay, but I thought it was used that way everywhere in Germany. Oops.
But "das ist meins" und "das gehört mir" still sound very stilted to me.
