"Es waren … darunter"

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This question also has an answer here (in German):
"Es" in "Es ist gutes Wetter" However, that answer is in German, and clearly, my grasp of German is not sufficient to understand a nuianced answer.

I came across this sentence in a Ersteleser version of Die Schatzinsel:

Es waren seltsame, manchmal auch unheimliche Kerle darunter.

I can't reconcile "Es" with "waren". Or, if "waren" refers to "die Kerle", what role is "Es" playing?

The general meaning seems to be "It was weird, sometimes strange guys would come by." (refering to the "Gasthaus").

Dupe close voters: please note, that the linked question is in German. — Takkat, Jan 10 '19 at 08:00
@PiedPiper: please do not vote to close as dupe if the other question was in another language (comment or edit instead). — Takkat, Jan 10 '19 at 08:02
Abgesehen davon, daß das Platzhalter-es kein Wetter-es ist. — David Vogt, Jan 10 '19 at 11:20
@PiedPiper The first link discusses the same topic. The other two are different. — David Vogt, Jan 10 '19 at 11:31
@DavidVogt I agree two of those are different. But that still leaves us with at least one duplicate — PiedPiper, Jan 10 '19 at 11:33
*Es waren .... darunter* =~ *There were ... among them*. — Rudy Velthuis, Jan 10 '19 at 17:27
Es ist die Frage, ob wir ein Tag "Es" gründen sollten, um in der Tagdescription auf die 1-2 Toptopics zu verlinken, die die Frage behandeln, da sich nach "es" schlecht suchen lässt, wobei die zweite Frage ist, ob es über ein Es-Topic leichter gefunden würde. Es gibt einige weitere Fragen, die oft an konkreten Beispielen aufgehängt werden und sich daher schlecht suchen/finden lassen, weil der nächste mit der im Prinzip gleichen Frage ein ganz anderes Beispiel hat. — user unknown, Jan 12 '19 at 15:57

score 5 · Accepted Answer · answered Jan 09 '19 at 22:57

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Es waren seltsame, manchmal auch unheimliche Kerle darunter.

There were strange, sometimes also scary guys among them.

German uses es in more situations than English uses it. Here, dort is not the correct translation for there, it must be es. That is because we aren't talking about a real place.

answered Jan 09 '19 at 22:57

Janka

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Ich würde sogar sagen, dass überhaupt nicht von einem Platz, real oder irreal, die Rede ist. Gut - ausgeschlossen ist nicht, dass diese Kerle unter einer Brücke waren. Ich tippe aber auf eine Menschengruppe oder -menge. – user unknown Jan 09 '19 at 23:30
@PiedPiper: Janka wrote about real places. – user unknown Jan 11 '19 at 01:44
Until I read your translation, I thought that "seltsame" was describing the situation. When one realizes it is describing the people, this is much easier to parse. Thanks. – perpetual Jan 11 '19 at 14:46

score 4 · Answer 2 · answered Jan 09 '19 at 23:20

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This type of es is known as Platzhalter-es. It is a special type of expletive. An expletive is a word that does not contribute to the meaning of a sentence. This es is special in that it only appears in front of the verb. Therefore, your sentence could be rewritten as:

Seltsame, manchmal auch unheimliche Kerle waren darunter.

Clearly, es is not the subject here. The subject is seltsame, manchmal auch unheimliche Kerle, hence waren is plural.

answered Jan 09 '19 at 23:20

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Is the "es" used here to give "da" something to point to? – perpetual Jan 10 '19 at 11:07
Is ther an implied "gegangen" in this sentence? – perpetual Jan 10 '19 at 11:08
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There is no movement. darunter = unter ihnen, i.e. unter den Kerlen. Basically: Some, but not all of the fellows were strange and sometimes also sinister. – David Vogt Jan 10 '19 at 11:22

score 3 · Answer 3 · edited Jan 10 '19 at 17:01

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It is the same thing as when you say "it is late" in english. What does the "it" refer to in this case?

So translated it means:

There were strange, sometimes also frightening guys among them.

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answered Jan 09 '19 at 22:51

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"Es waren … darunter"

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