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Let $x,y$ be different positive real numbers satisfying $x^y=y^x$. Prove $(x-1)(y-1)>(e-1)^2$.

We may suppose $a=\frac{y}{x}>1$. Then we obtain $x=a^{\frac{1}{a-1}},y=a^{\frac{a}{a-1}}.$ But how to go on?

mengdie1982
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If you know that $$x^y=y^x \implies x=-\frac{y}{\log (y)}W\left(-\frac{\log (y)}{y}\right)$$ where $W(t)$ is Lambert function, then $$(x-1)(y-1)=(1-y)\Bigg[1+ \frac{y}{\log (y)}W\left(-\frac{\log (y)}{y}\right)\Bigg]=f(y)$$

$f'(y)$ cancels at $y=e$ and, at this point, $x=e$. The second derivative $$f''(e)=\frac{2 (2 e-5)}{3 e}\sim 0.107069~~ >~~ 0$$ confirms that this point is a minimum and $f(e)=(e-1)^2$.

Edit

As @Martin R commented, I did not prove that this is the global minimum.

In fact, this can be done using the fact that $\forall t \geq e$ $$W(t) \geq\log (t)-\log (\log (t))+\frac 12\frac{\log (\log (t))}{ \log (t)}=f(t)$$ $$W(t) \leq \log (t)-\log (\log (t))+\frac e{e-1}\frac{\log (\log (t))}{ \log (t)}=g(t)$$ or even better tha approximation of $W(t)$ I gave here.

  • So $f(y)$ has a local minimum at $y=e$. Why is that the global minimum? – Martin R Jan 22 '21 at 15:01
  • @MartinR. I agree : I did not prove that this is the global minimum. I shall try using bounds. – Claude Leibovici Jan 22 '21 at 15:07
  • @ClaudeLeibovici How do you apply these bounds for $W(t)$ for $t\ge \mathrm{e}$? You need to deal with $W\left(-\frac{\log (y)}{y}\right)$ while $-\frac{\log (y)}{y} \in (-\frac{1}{\mathrm{e}}, 0)$. – River Li Jan 28 '21 at 02:50
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Continuing your idea, let $a = 1+ \dfrac 1t, t > 0.$ Then, you can write your inequality as $xy-x-y > e^2-2e$, which is in terms of the variable $t:$

$$f(t) = t\ln\left(1+\frac 1t\right) + \ln\left(\left(1+\frac 1t\right)^{t+1}-2-\frac 1t\right) > 1+\ln(e-2).$$

Wolfram says that this is indeed a decreasing function in $t$, so the infimum will be: $$\lim\limits_{t\to\infty} f(t) = 1+ \ln(e-2).$$

Then, the only thing to show now is the fact that $f(t)$ is decreasing, but I suspect this will take an ugly computation.

EDIT: Actually, the derivative did not turn out to be too bad:

\begin{align}f'(t) &= \\ &\dfrac{\dfrac{1}{t^2} + \left(1+\dfrac 1t\right)^{t+1}{\left(2\ln\left(1+\frac 1t\right)-\dfrac 1t-\dfrac{1}{t+1}\right)} + \left(2+\dfrac{1}{t}\right) \left(\dfrac{1}{1+t} - \ln\left(1+\dfrac{1}{t}\right)\right)}{\left(1+\dfrac 1t\right)^{t+1} - \dfrac 1t-2} & \\<0\end{align}

Finally, the above is equivalent to:

$$\left(1+\dfrac 1t\right)^{t+1} > \dfrac{\dfrac{1}{t^2} + \left(2+\dfrac 1t\right)\left(\dfrac{1}{1+t} - \ln\left(1+\dfrac{1}{t}\right)\right)}{\dfrac{1}{t}+\dfrac{1}{1+t} - 2\ln\left(1+\dfrac{1}{t}\right)},$$

which I think should be doable by brute-force expanding with a Taylor's series etc.

dezdichado
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(A comment rather than an answer but much easier to enter)

This is an improvement of my answer Proving or disproving: $a^b<b^a$? where I showed that if $x^{1/x} = y^{1/y}$ and $1 < x < y$ then $y > e^2/x$.

This is an improvement since $(e-1)^2/(x-1)+1- e^2/x =(e - x)^2/((x - 1) x) \gt 0$.

marty cohen
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    Using something similar to dezdichado's transformation your inequality has a shorter proof: $x=(1+s)^{1/s}, y=(1+s)^{1+1/s}, g(s) = \ln (xy) = (1+2/s) \ln (1+s)$, then $$g'(s) = \frac{2}{s^2} \left( \frac{s(s+2)}{2(s+1)} - \ln (1+s) \right)$$ next $$h(s)=g'(s)\cdot \frac{s^2}{2} \implies h'(s) = \frac{s^2}{2(1+s)^2}>0$$ – Neat Math Jan 24 '21 at 19:05
  • The last line is wrong! It should be \begin{align} && y-\left[\frac{(e-1)^2}{x-1}+1\right]>\frac{e^2}{x}-\left[\frac{(e-1)^2}{x-1}+1\right]=\frac{(x-e)^2}{x(1-x)}<0, \end{align} which is useless. – mengdie1982 Jan 25 '21 at 15:04
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    @mengdie1982 Marty was saying your result is stronger than his. So yours can be used to prove his, but not the other way. It was "a comment rather than an answer". – Neat Math Jan 25 '21 at 16:21
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Sketch of a proof:

Fact 1: Let $f(u) = \frac{\ln u}{u}$. Then, $f(u)$ is strictly increasing on $(0, \mathrm{e})$, and strictly decreasing on $(\mathrm{e}, \infty)$.

WLOG, assume $y < x$. From $x^y = y^x$, we have $\frac{\ln x}{x} = \frac{\ln y}{y}$. By Fact 1, it is easy to prove that $1 < y < \mathrm{e} < x$.

We need to prove that $y > 1 + \frac{(\mathrm{e} - 1)^2}{x-1} \triangleq y_0$. Clearly, $y_0\in (1, \mathrm{e})$. By Fact 1, it suffices to prove that $f(y) > f(y_0)$ or $\frac{\ln x}{x} > f(y_0)$. It suffices to prove that $$\frac{\ln x}{x} > \frac{\ln\left( 1 + \frac{(\mathrm{e} - 1)^2}{x-1}\right)}{1 + \frac{(\mathrm{e} - 1)^2}{x-1}}, \ \forall x > \mathrm{e}.$$ It is true. But my proof is not nice. (Hint: Use Fact 2, then use derivative.)

Fact 2: $\frac{\ln v}{v} \ge \frac{(2\mathrm{e} + 10)v - 16\mathrm{e} + 4\mathrm{e}^2} {(3\mathrm{e} - 3)v^2 + (16\mathrm{e} - 4\mathrm{e}^2)v - 19\mathrm{e}^2 + 7\mathrm{e}^3}$ for all $v \ge \mathrm{e}$. (Hint: Take derivative.)

Remark 1: I propose the following problem:

Let $0 < y < x$ such that $\frac{\ln x}{x} = \frac{\ln y}{y} = a$ ($a>0$). Prove that $$(x-1)(y-1) > \left(\mathrm{e} - 1 + \frac{5}{8}\left(\frac{1}{\mathrm{e}} - a\right)\right)^2.$$

By the way, there are many similar problems in MSE or AoPS. These problems has the following description: Let $f(z)$ be a unimodal function. Let $f(x) = f(y) = a$. Then $g(x, y) \ge h(a)$.

See my closed post: Inequalities involving roots of some functions (e.g., $\frac{\ln x}{x}$, $x\ln x$)
For example, Estimate the bound of the sum of the roots of $1/x+\ln x=a$ where $a>1$,
let $f(x) = (x-1)\ln x$, and given $0 < a < b$. If $f(a) = f(b)$, prove that $\frac{1}{\ln a}+\frac{1}{\ln b} < \frac{1}{2}$

River Li
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  • this whole class of similar problems are very interesting. It seems to me that if someone develops a method of finding an asymptotic expansion of $x = x(y)$, the larger root, in terms of the smaller $y$, then it should be widely applicable to all the related questions. – dezdichado Jan 25 '21 at 02:01
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    @dezdichado I am interested in more elementary approaches. For example, some solutions use the Lambert W function, but sometimes it is not necessary. If $x, y$ can be separated (e.g., $y > 1 + \frac{(\mathrm{e}-1)^2}{x-1}$), then we may use the approach in this answer. The difficult case is that $x, y$ can not be separated without using special functions. – River Li Jan 25 '21 at 02:21