As pointed out here, an $n$-cycle $a=(12\ldots n)$ and a 3-cycle $b=(147)$ won't generate $A_n$ if n is an odd multiple of 3, at least for $n=9$.
How do we calculate the structure and order of this group $\langle a,b\rangle$? Some Sage script tells me the order is $81$ when $n=9$ and $648000$ when $n=15$. But I have no clue what they look like even for those examples with small $n$.