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This is a problem in my textbook and I've shown it this way:

$E_{initial}=\frac{hc}{\lambda} + mc^2$

$p_{initial}=h/\lambda$

After collision with photon having zero energy we get

$p_{final}=h/\lambda$

$E_{final}=\sqrt{(\frac{hc}{\lambda})^2+(mc^2)^2}$

Which is in contradiction with the conservation of energy.

Now, this result is I think contradictory to Einstein's explanation of the photoelectric effect.

In the photoelectric effect the photon is absorbed by the free electron and this is what makes it have kinetic energy.

What am I interpreting wrong? The problem comes from the context of the Compton Effect, by the way.

DLV
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  • Hi you say In the photoelectric effect the photon is absorbed by the free electron...just to be clear, the electron receives momentum from the moving photon, but the Compton effect shows that the photon is then deflected away, with less energy sure, but not completely absorbed, as far as I remember. Regards –  Apr 03 '15 at 21:50
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    Electrons in metals are certainly not free. – Robin Ekman Apr 03 '15 at 22:03
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    Hi I think this question, although unclear, is about the Compton effect and producing the energy needed to release an electron. In the OP, the wording is photon has zero energy (this does not make sense to me) and in the context of the C.E. which means that the electron gets extra momentum, possible above the work function. Anyway, I think the question should be edited with a diagram, which I would make the actual question clearer. Regards –  Apr 03 '15 at 22:18
  • Well if the Photon has donated all its energy there will be no "photon term" in the final energy. Thats what I meant. Also – electrons in metals are not free in a very strict manner, but they are free in the context of Compton experiments or the PE effect aren't they ? – DLV Apr 03 '15 at 22:20
  • By free I'm imagining the electron gas model inside a metal. – DLV Apr 03 '15 at 22:21
  • Oh, I see what you mean by context now, sorry. I just saw Compton effect and ran with that. One suggestion, add on a experimental physics tag. Might help. –  Apr 03 '15 at 22:32
  • "By free I'm imagining the electron gas model inside a metal." While the gas is treated as free it is understood that the "free" gas is, itself, bound. When the electron is ejected it is removed from that potential well. – dmckee --- ex-moderator kitten Apr 03 '15 at 23:50
  • @dmckee So then the question in my book is specifically about an electron just floating around in a vacuum? Or at least my "proof" is valid only for that case? – DLV Apr 03 '15 at 23:53
  • Well, it also works for an interaction with the conduction gas that merely changes the electron's momentum in the gas without ejecting it from the conductor's potential well. The important point is that the background potential of the final state is the same as that of the initial state. – dmckee --- ex-moderator kitten Apr 03 '15 at 23:56
  • Two doubts: 1) why is E_initial with the mc^2 term? I thought hc/lambda encompasses it? – Saurabh Raje Apr 04 '15 at 01:28
  • why is E_final written that way? Why not just hc/lambda?
  • – Saurabh Raje Apr 04 '15 at 01:29
  • @SaurabhRaje I think you're not considering the rest energy of the electron in both cases. Just apply conservation of momentum and energy to the initial and final states. – DLV Apr 04 '15 at 04:14
  • What is a "photon with zero energy"? – Floris Mar 07 '17 at 01:03