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If mass can be transformed into energy, and energy transformed back into mass, isn't this at odds with the law of conservation of energy?

Because this would mean, that in theory, it would be possible to let an object fall down a certain distance, performing work along the way, then you would transform the object's mass into energy, transport the energy to a higher level, and rematerialize the object, and let it fall down again, performing work along the way?

This would enable an infinite loop whereby infinite amounts of energy can be gained through the gravitational field.

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This shows the process you describe:

Mass-energy

We drop the mass and it falls a distance $h$ picking up an energy $mgh$ as it falls. Then we convert the mass to a photon and send the photon back upwards. At the top we convert the photon back to a mass and repeat the cycle. The reason this doesn't violate conservation of energy is because of the gravitational redshift of the photon as we send it back upwards.

Light always moves at, well, the speed of light but that doesn't mean gravity has no effect on it. The energy of a photon is given by:

$$ E = h\nu $$

where $\nu$ is the photon frequency. As the photon moves upwards its energy decreases so its frequency $\nu$, decreases and this is the phenomenon known as the gravitational red shift. It turns out that the energy lost due to the gravitational red shift exactly balances out the energy gained by the mass as it falls, so as we go round the cycle the net energy change is zero and energy is conserved.

Let's go through this in detail: we start at the top with a mass $m$ so it has an equivalent energy $mc^2$. We let this fall a distance $h$ so its potential energy increases by $\Delta E = mgh$ so the total energy is $mc^2 + mgh$.

At the bottom we convert the mass to a photon and the photon frequency, $\nu_2$, is given by:

$$ h\nu_2 = mc^2 + mgh $$

Now we send the photon back upwards and as it moves up its frequency decreases to $\nu_1$ due to the gravitational red shift, so its energy decreases by $\Delta E = h\nu_2 - h\nu_1$.

At the top the photon frequency is $\nu_1$, so its energy is now $h\nu_1$, and we convert it back into a mass $M$ given by $hv_1 = Mc^2$. And what we find that the mass we end with, $M$, is exactly the same as the mass we started with, $m$, so the energy we ended with is exactly the same as the energy we started with.

You've probably spotted that I've just claimed the gravitational red shift exactly balances out the energy gained by the falling mass:

$$ h\nu_2 - h\nu_1 = mgh $$

We can prove this, but we're getting into the domain of general relativity so the working gets a bit involved.

Later: I've just realised the question is a duplicate, but I'll leave my answer here anyway in case it is of interest.

John Rennie
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  • How about if we transfer the energy back up using a vertical, frictionless axis, that rotates? If you have a certain torque at the bottom of a vertical axis, I don't think gravity would affect the torque at the top of the axis? – Alpha_Pi Dec 02 '18 at 09:54
  • @Alpha_Pi this is going to get complicated, but basically the difference in gravitational potential energy causes gravitational time dilation. That means the torque exerted on the axis is greater at the bottom than at the top so the work done is greater at the bottom than at the top. – John Rennie Dec 02 '18 at 09:57
  • Thank you so much for your answers! I asked a similar question on energy conservation earlier. But the question was put on hold. Perhaps you can answer it? The question is: if the energy consumption of an electromagnet increases linearly over time, and the KE of an object it accelerates increases proportionally with time squared, doesnt this imply energy can be created? – Alpha_Pi Dec 02 '18 at 12:48
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You can’t gain infinite amounts of energy in this way. It takes work to raise the energy back up in the gravitational field... just as much as the work that was done by gravity on the falling mass. So there is no net energy gain in a cycle.

Your mistake is in assuming that only mass experiences gravity. Energy also experiences gravity. For example, even massless photons experience gravity. When they move upward against gravity, they lose energy and redshift. (Photons also cause gravity, despite being massless.)

You can’t combine Newton’s non-relativistic theory of gravity, in which only mass gravitates, with the relativistic theory of mass-energy conversion. You need to use a consistent nonrelativistic approach, or a consistent relativistic approach.

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