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I absolutely abhor the way in which physics is taught at school. All they really do is prepare you for doing physics problems, making little effort to impart an actual understanding of the subject matter. I want to feel like I myself could have come up with the laws of physics from physical observations, and none of the lectures I've attended or the books I've read make a real attempt to do this. At most, there's an allusion in a footnote somewhere to how Newton found the laws using the results of Gallileo's prior experiments, never delving into specifics. I went so far as to try reading a translation of the original Principia, but I found that that too only states findings, not a word of how exactly they were derived/determined.

Are there any resources/books (on classical physics) that have what I'm looking for?

Qmechanic
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    Technically you absolutely abhor the way in which physics is taught at your school or schools you have heard about. Not all schools are like this. – BioPhysicist Jul 27 '21 at 11:33
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    I don't see where there's any reason to think that even Newton knew how Newton came up with the laws in the sense that you're asking the question. Discovery is a messy process of dead ends, re-tries, educated guesses, lucky guesses, partial results, and connecting ideas that you might have picked up in very different places. Nobody keeps track in detail of all of the dead ends let alone writes them up for someone later to follow too. Maybe a critical few that provide some insight gets into a paper or a book. It's not clear that what you're asking about makes any real sense. – Brick Jul 27 '21 at 14:00
  • The reason to work physics problems is to get you familiar enough with a particular physics concept to recognize it when you see it. It is the concepts which drive the physics, which drive the mathematical model that is used to describe the physics, and those concepts CANNOT be taught by merely reading a description of a phenomenon, because you are in effect training a neural net (aka your brain) to recognize patterns. Such training requires many examples, whether the neural net is human or synthetic (i.e., a computer). – David White Jul 27 '21 at 15:15
  • Any classic mechanics text basically derives everything from scratch either using newton's laws or Lagrange equations. Rigid body dynamics is derived using the concept of forces only applying along the line of action. – FourierFlux Jul 27 '21 at 23:08
  • If question is re-opened i've an answer that might be suitable – Giorgio Pastasciutta Jul 28 '21 at 19:17
  • I'm not quite sure how I can get it reopened. – Hyperbo Lee Aug 15 '21 at 03:09

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Chapter 1.2 & 1.3 of John Michael Finn's Classical Mechanics might contain what you are seeking.

Chapter 2 of Kleppner & Kolenkow's Introduction to Mechanics gives a good account of Newton's laws and how they can be 'deduced' empirically.

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Newton's laws were derived by physical intuition and experimentation. I'm not sure how Newton derived them. Since you asked for thought experiments: imagine you kick a moving point football what all would you need to know predict the outcome? The below is a heuristic argument (and under scrutiny this is modelled by impulse but suffices to make the point).

I imagine one would need the velocity and position of the ball when it was kicked and position of the ball. This is already suggestive of second order differential equation (since there are $2$ unknowns). The direction of your kick is the same as direction of the "change" in motion.

So you apply a "kick" on a point ball $A$ and you see behave one way but you can imagine applying a "kick" on a heavier ball it's motion would behave differently. This "heaviness" is characterized by a parameter $m$ known as mass.

Putting this together:

$$\vec F = m \vec a$$

References: Griener Classical Theoretical Physics

  • I think a non-impulse based example would be better as acceleration would be visible as well as it's proportionality with the force causing it. like pushing a car or linking a ball to a rope and a heavy bar of some metal on the other end of the rope and putting the ball on a table and letting the bar pull it. – Ziad H. Muhammad Jul 29 '21 at 21:56
  • Also I think there is a troller here spamming downvotes on the answers to this question – Ziad H. Muhammad Jul 29 '21 at 21:59
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You raise an interesting question:

Is is possible at all for teacher of physics to present the subject in such a way that the student comes close to feeling a process of personally discovering the laws of motion.


It seems to me the teaching must then start with demonstrations of motion and bounces by objects moving along an air track.

Also, the teaching must then make it plausible that objects, when released to free motion, proceed in a straight line. On the air track the track already constrains the motion to a straight line, so to make the free-motion-will-go-straight concept plausible the teaching equipment must include a large enough air table.

With bouncing demonstrations the conept of conservation of momentum can be made plausible.

Then the big one: make it plausible that acceleration is proportional to impressed force.

For that you need to provide a constant force, but that is tricky.
Let's say you put a glider on the air track, and you start pulling it with a length of string. How do you maintain a constant tension of the string as the glider is accelerating? (Use a setup with a pulley and a descending weight? Then you are assuming that such a setup maintains a constant tension.)

It is actually surprisingly hard to create circumstances such that you get an unobstructed view of $F=ma$ in action.


I remember reading the following story: one scholar had built a device that would eject marbles horizontally at a consistent velocity (consistent enough for his purpose). If acceleration due to gravity is uniform then the trajectory will be along a parabola.

The marbles fell alongside a board. Over the course of many throws he hammered nails in the board to the left and the right of the trajectory, all the way along the trajectory. That way he confirmed that the trajectory was consistent with gravity causing uniform acceleration.

I think at the time that was as close as you could get to $F=ma$


My point is: there are always things that are preventing direct observation of the underlying law.


Incidentally, for Newton and his contemporaries the task was much harder. Back then there were precursors of the modern concepts of force and momentum, but those concepts were still very much in flux.

Force was generally thought of as something that was transferred into an object, and in motion that force was then an internal force, sustaining the motion.

Source:
webpage by Micheal Fowler on Newton's development from pre-newtonian thinking to something closer to the modern concepts.

So back then the proces of discovering laws of motion wasn't just discovering laws of motion, it was just as much a discovery process of how to conceptualize the world such that you are able to formulate a theory of motion.

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You might find 3blue1brown videos interesting for math. He tries to make you feel you could figure it out yourself. A blog of his mentions that the Soviet system was more about problem solving than the American system.

Likewise, there are many sources of intuitive online physics at many levels. Here are a few examples. Veritasium, Minute Physics, Don Lincoln, Sean Carroll's blog, HyperPhysics, David Tong's online lecture notes, Leanard Susskind's Theoretical Minimum courses, and many many more.

Following historical approaches is not necessarily the clearest. Newton and Principia are a particularly good example of why. Newton was brilliant, but secretive. His thought processes were sometimes convoluted. Newton invented calculus using fluxions and similar ideas. These are no longer used. The math has been made more rigorous and clearer over the centuries since Newton.

Intuition is very helpful to understand physics. But physics is full of notoriously counter intuitive ideas. It can and does lead people in the wrong direction when studying relativity and quantum mechanics. For example, see How can a red light photon be different from a blue light photon?

You have to be able to make progress when intuition fails. People have found that using formalisms gets you farther than intuition.

Still, intuition is really satisfying when your every day experience leads you in the right direction.

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