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I am reading "Classical Mechanics-Third Edition; Herbert Goldstein, Charles P. Poole, John L. Safko" and in the first chapter I came across the work-energy theorem (paraphrased) as follows:

The work done on a particle by a force $F$ from point 1 to point 2 is given by: $$ W_{12} = \int_{1}^{2}F\cdot ds \tag{1.29} $$ Since $F = \dfrac{dp}{dt}$, we can write this as: $$ W_{12} = \int_{1}^{2}\left(\dfrac{dp}{dt}\right).ds $$ Also, since $p = mv$ and $ds = vdt$: $$ W_{12} = \int_{1}^{2}\left(\dfrac{d(mv)}{dt}\right).vdt $$ Now, we take the case of unchanging mass and we get $$ \begin{align} W_{12} &= m\int_{1}^{2}\left(\dfrac{dv}{dt}\right).vdt\\ &= \dfrac{m}{2}\int_{1}^{2}\dfrac{d}{dt}\left(v^2\right)dt\\ &= m\int_{1}^{2}\left(\dfrac{d}{dt}v.v\right)dt\\ &= m\int_{1}^{2}\left(v_2^2 -v_1^2\right) \end{align} $$ Since $\dfrac{m}{2}v^2$ is the kinetic energy (denoted by $T$): $$ W_{12} = T_2 - T_1 $$ I am not comfortable with how that factor of $\dfrac{1}{2}$ magically appears when going from $m\int_{1}^{2}\left(\dfrac{dv}{dt}\right).vdt$ to $\dfrac{m}{2}\int_{1}^{2}\dfrac{d}{dt}\left(v^2\right)dt$. Could someone help with this? I have a feeling that it has something to do with vector calculus but I don't know how.

As said in answers: $$ \begin{align} \int_{1}^{2}\left(\dfrac{mdv}{dt}.v\right)dt &= m\int_{1}^{2}\left(\dfrac{dv.v}{dt}\right)dt\\ &= m\int_{1}^{2}\left(\dfrac{v.dv}{dt}\right)dt\\ &= m\int_{1}^{2}\left(\dfrac{\dfrac{1}{2}dv^2}{dt}\right)dt\\ &= \dfrac{1}{2}m\int_{1}^{2}\left(\dfrac{dv^2}{dt}\right)dt\\ &= \dfrac{1}{2}mv^2\\ \end{align} $$

Also, the entire derivation is done under the assumption that $dm=0$. Does this mean that when $dm\neq 0$, we can not compare work done with change in kinetic energy?

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  • So, as it turns out, $F=\dfrac{dp}{dt}$ may also not hold for open systems: reference – ananta Jul 17 '22 at 10:09
  • Please do not add new questions to a post in a way that invalidates existing answers. If you have a new question (even if it is a follow-up question), just ask a new question. – ACuriousMind Jul 19 '22 at 18:24
  • I'd strongly recommend mastering the books on classical mechanics by Kleppner and Kolenkow, and Taylor, before moving on to Goldstein. – Rishi Jul 19 '22 at 18:39
  • @ACuriousMind will keep that in mind for the next posts. Why did you delete so much material from the post? I had written such a nice derivation, least you could do it add it as an answer :/ – ananta Jul 20 '22 at 02:03
  • @Rishi yes and go back to addition before I read integration again? Sometimes, you just got to take a leap of faith. – ananta Jul 20 '22 at 02:04
  • I rolled back the edit that added an additional question. Your derivation is not lost, it's still there in the edit history (click on the "edited X hours ago" below the question to access it) if you want to copy and use it for something else. – ACuriousMind Jul 20 '22 at 07:48

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I am not comfortable with how that factor of 1/2 magically appears... Could someone help with this?

It does not "magically" appear. It is just from the basic rules of differential calculus. In particular: $$ \frac{d}{dv} v^2 = 2v\;. $$

The $2$ on the RHS of the above equation can move to the LHS and become a 1/2 (this is just basic algebra). Also moving the $dv$ from one side to the other gives: $$ \frac{1}{2}d(v^2) = vdv $$


The vector calculus analog is (again just the product rule): $$ d(\vec v \cdot \vec v) = 2 \vec v \cdot d\vec v $$


Also, the entire derivation is done under the assumption that $dm=0$. Does this mean that when $dm\neq 0$, we can not compare work done with change in kinetic energy[?]

No, it does not necessarily. You can use the Hamiltonian equations of motion to prove more generally that when $H(x,p) = T(p) + U(x)$ the work-KE theorem holds: $$ \int \vec F \cdot \vec dx $$ $$ = \int \frac{d\vec p}{dt} \cdot \vec dx = \int d\vec p \cdot \vec v $$ $$ =\int d\vec p \cdot \frac{\partial H}{\partial \vec p} = \int d\vec p \cdot \frac{\partial T}{\partial \vec p} $$ $$ =\Delta T $$

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  • So we can write $\left(\dfrac{dv}{dt}\right).vdt =\dfrac{1}{dt}\left(dv.v\right)dt$ and then use the product rule. Hmmm... – ananta Jul 14 '22 at 20:28
  • That's a bit of an odd way to write it, but sure. It's one of those common "abuses" of notation with the Leibnitz formalism for the derivative. Basically it "works" to treat the derivative with the same rules you use for fractions. It's a bit of a cheat and mathematicians don't really like it. One quibble is that you need an integral sign to make the "free floating" "dt" meaningful. Another quibble is that the derivative isn't "really" a fraction. – hft Jul 14 '22 at 21:05
  • Though I don't really know about Hamiltonian mechanics, it seems really interesting. – ananta Jul 16 '22 at 05:44
  • What are your thoughts on the derivation I did in the post. I derived $W_{12}=\dfrac{1}{2}\left[mv^2\right]{1}^{2}+\dfrac{1}{2}\int{1}^{2}\left(\dfrac{dm}{dt}v^{2}\right)dt$. Do you think your $\Delta T$ corresponds to this value? How do we make sense of the second term? – ananta Jul 18 '22 at 09:38
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    @ananta I think it is not appropriate to edit your original post to ask a new question within the same post. This means the answerers have to shoot at a moving target, which is annoying. If you have a new question, you should ask it as a separate new question post. That being said, if you define $T=\frac{1}{2}mv^2$ then the first term in your comment is the change $\Delta T$ (and don't forget the mass is different at 1 and 2 as well). The second term is in addition to $\Delta T$. But note that in this case, you can't write $T$ as only a function of $p$ since the mass is changing too. – hft Jul 18 '22 at 17:49
  • Then, how do we use the Hamiltonian formulation for the general case of changing mass? – ananta Jul 19 '22 at 08:39
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The presentation in Goldstein is unnecessarily convoluted.

Let me first address the appearance of the factor $\tfrac{1}{2}$

Take the following integral of velocity, from starting velocity $v_0$ to end velocity $v$:

$$ \int_{v_0}^v v \ dv \tag{1} $$

As we know: if we have a function $f(x) = x$ then we have the following for the primitive $F$ of that function:

$$ F(x) = \tfrac{1}{2}x^2 \tag{2} $$

So we have for the integral of velocity, from starting velocity $v_0$ to end velocity $v$

$$ \int_{v_0}^v v \ dv = \tfrac{1}{2}v^2 - \tfrac{1}{2}v_0^2 \tag{3} $$

That is the reason why the factor $\tfrac{1}{2}$ appears.


The derivation in Goldstein is a struggle.

The natural starting point is to define the integral of force with respect to position coordinate, from starting point $s_0$ to end point $s$

$$ \int_{s_0}^s F \ ds \tag{4} $$

In Goldstein the integration is first stated from start point '1' to end point '2', but in the next expression those integration limits are dropped. Throughout the presentation the steps are haphazard.

For the series of steps that lead from (4) the natural starting point, to (1) see derivation of the Work-Energy theorem.

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First off, when $\mathrm dm\ne0,$ the key is that you have to figure out what the “missing” mass went off to do. That mass generally represents some sort of momentum flow out of the system! You have to quantify this and use conservation of momentum to get a good result. A good example of this is derivations of the rocket equation.

Now for the factor of $\frac12$, it has nothing to do with vector calculus whatsoever. It's universal. Just has to do with the product rule on a commutative product. So you have two options. You can either do a top down derivation:$$ \frac{\mathrm d\phantom t}{\mathrm dt} \left(v\cdot v\right) = \frac{\mathrm dv}{\mathrm dt}\cdot v + v\cdot \frac{\mathrm dv}{\mathrm dt}\\= 2 v \cdot \frac{\mathrm dv}{\mathrm dt},$$divide both sides by two and you are done. There is no difference in this derivation between the dot product of vectors and the ordinary product of real numbers or even its extension to complex numbers. As long as it obeys that first product rule and is commutative, you get this result.

Or, you can approach it bottom-up. This is maybe more fun and is called “integration by parts.” Start from this: $$ I(\tau) = \int_0^\tau \mathrm dt~v(t)\cdot \frac{\mathrm dv}{\mathrm dt}.$$ When we integrate by parts we go up and down the integral/derivative ladder. In this case we see something that we naïvely want to raise, $\frac{\mathrm dv}{\mathrm dt}\to v$, and we want to lower the remaining $v(t)$. So then we get, $$ I(\tau) = v\cdot v\Big|^\tau_0- \int_0^\tau \mathrm dt~\frac{\mathrm dv}{\mathrm dt}\cdot v(t). $$ At this point it is tempting to despair! We wanted to reduce complexity, it looks like we have only increased it. But commutativity is what saves us: for we can immediately recognize that we have written: $$I(\tau) = v\cdot v\Big|^\tau_0-I(\tau),\\ 2 I(\tau) = v\cdot v\Big|^\tau_0,\\ I(\tau) = \frac12 v\cdot v\Big|^\tau_0.$$ Again, I didn't say anything about vectors, I just said that I needed a notion of product for which integration by parts works. It works for the scalar product and for the dot product, and even for the cross product, although that is not commutative but anticommutative and so you get a tautology $0=0$ at the end. But this is a very general result, it does not depend on the specifics of product.

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  • You said it has nothing to do with vector calculus. The way I see it, it has everything to with vector calculus. I mean you are doing calculus of vector quantities, so... – ananta Jul 16 '22 at 05:09
  • Though I see what you mean. The product rule works for many different types of products and the specificities depend on commutativity of the product used. – ananta Jul 16 '22 at 05:52