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I have been told that Quantum fields are the real "fundamental" of reality and particles are excitations in these omnipresent fields. I have also been told by no less credible sources that Quantum fields are instead simply a good mathematical "abstraction" and a fine way to quantum mechanically "describe" reality, namely elementary particles - as excitations in the Fock states of their respective quantum fields.

I am not sure if this is a controversy, or even a debate in the scientific community, but I would like someone to elaborate as to whether or not those two views contradict each other, and if the do, to understand why.

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    I would like to know which "side" to take. Opinion-based questions are off-topic here. I suggest editing your post to just ask for book and papers addressing both points of view. – Ghoster Jun 22 '23 at 07:16
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    Science is only the skeleton of nature not its flesh, the question is rather philosophical because the terms reality, truth, have relative values. – The Tiler Jun 22 '23 at 07:22
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    Does this answer your question? What is a field, really? – Quillo Jun 22 '23 at 08:02
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    I wouldn't exactly call this an "opinion-based question", but in my eyes it's not a question about physics as a natural science, either. Instead it is a more fundamental philosophical question about what you think the relationship between knowledge, scientific theories and "reality" is, and not at all specific to "quantum fields" (you might just as well have asked whether Newton's laws "are reality" or "describe reality"). – ACuriousMind Jun 22 '23 at 10:51
  • There's no meaningful way to know anything outside of your own thoughts actually exist everything is models built on models by our brains to try and make sense of the sensations it's experiencing. – ScottishTapWater Jun 22 '23 at 15:30
  • Thank you for asking Adolphus the Diler. I learned a lot reading some of the responses...so interesting. – Sedumjoy Oct 17 '23 at 21:58

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This is a highly philosophical question. Usually I try to avoid those, but now I am a bit tempted. I would like to share my thoughts, thoughts that are not in any way special and are taught in introductory courses of quantum field theory. I am not sure to what extend I will cover your concernts, but more experienced people can also comment/reply.

If one imagines flat spacetime as some background on which a set of "quantum fields" live, and all particles that can be thought of as excitations of those fields (fermions as excitations of spinor fields, photons as excitations of gauge fields etc) and their interactions to be happening in a way such that the world we live in occurs (imagine a world without gravity, because attempts are currently going on to interprete gravity as a quantum field, but they are not so successful yet), then one can set up experiments, just like the ones being conducted at CERN to measure specific properties of quantum field excitations or simply particles by making them collide.

A lot of results for the abovementioned measurements of the properties at hand have been verified to a great extend (see magnetic moment of electron for instance). Nevertheless, no one is telling us that the world we live in is a spacetime filled with quantum fields. The "quantum fields" are merely a description, constructed by us, to explain what we see in various experiments. This description is contstructed using a mathematical language (i.e. fields being spacetime functions that obey some algebra relations)...

So, in all I wouldn't say that one perspective contradicts the other. Yes, the framework of quantum field theory is a human construct, but it does not fail to explain the world around us (all the forces of nature except one: gravity). It is formulated in a concise mathematical language, yes, but this does not mean that there is no physical meaning in whatever mathematical objects/structures there exist in that framework... For reference I would advice you to read any quantum field theory textbook (I list some of them below) and be patient, as understanding some concepts may require some time. I also happened to see a nice lecture from David Tong.

Books on QFT (some of them are pretty heavy on mathematics):

  1. Peskin and Schroeder: An introduction to quantum field theory

  2. Srednicki: Quantum Field Theory

  3. Sidney Coleman: Lectures of Quantum Field Theory

  4. Weinberg: The Quantum Theory of Fields

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  • But if on the other hand, we say that we live in a spacetime filled with elementary particles that behave according to a set of laws called "laws of quantum mechanics" and quantum fields are a good mathematical construct to describe these particles, how then do we make sense of quantum fluctuations/Casimir effect, which are often explained as the heisenberg principle applied to quantum fields? – Adolphus the Diler Jun 22 '23 at 12:34
  • The "laws of quantum mechanics" are not sufficient to describe phenomena that can be described by quantum field theory. So, if you want to view the world as some "arena" filled with particles (as opposed to some "arena" filled with fluctuating fields), and you want to explain/study phenomena for which QM is inadequate to describe, then you would like to search for some other framework (similar to QFT)... – schris38 Jun 22 '23 at 13:14
  • You have probably noticed that I didn't want to be specific about the phenomena for which QM is inadequate, hence I didn't mention specific phenomena, as I am not sure exactly whether or not the phenomena you gave as examples admit QFT description, but not QM description – schris38 Jun 22 '23 at 13:15
  • laws of QM are not sufficient; > ud like to search for some other framework similar to QFT. I affirm both those things. In fact, I appreciate highly the predictive power and accuracy of QFT very much and never thought we are desperately in need of some new explanatory system at all. Instead, I judged from ur reply that QFT is merely a mathematical model and our world then is NOT an "arena" full of quantum fields, but rather (and I filled this in) elementary particles following a set of laws described best by QFT. Hence I asked how we could then explain (not describe) quantum fluctuations.

    – Adolphus the Diler Jun 22 '23 at 14:26
  • My response essentially says that if you want to view our world as an arena full of "quantum fields", QFT is your favorite framework to go to, your preferred mathematical model to describe what happens in CERN's colliders and your preferred theory to explain quantum fluctuations. However, if one suggests some other mathematical (or non-mathematical model) that also explains what we see around us and predicts some phenomena that are yet to be observed, then this is fine by me. Sorry, but I do not understand your objections or concerns if there are any – schris38 Jun 22 '23 at 14:56
  • We do not know whether or not we should view our world as an "arena" full of quantum fields or not. But if we do, QFT occurs and explains and even more, it predicts! This is what I was trying to say. If at any point in my response this wasn't clear, I can always edit :) – schris38 Jun 22 '23 at 14:57
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    You have been helpful, thanks. – Adolphus the Diler Jun 22 '23 at 16:06
  • Hi @AdolphustheDiler. If one of the replies has solved your initial concern, you can always select it to be the accepted reply – schris38 Jun 23 '23 at 06:41
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There is a controversy about whether quantum theory describes reality, whether such a description is necessary or desirable and whether quantum theory should be modified. This debate is typically but misleadingly said to be about the "interpretation" of quantum theory:

Can an electron move in a well-defined path?

Some people, advocates of the Copenhagen and statistical intepretation, say quantum theory doesn't describe reality and is just a machine for making predictions. Since a prediction is an account of what will happen in reality under particular circumstances so those interpretations make no sense. In addition, without an account of what's supposed to be happening in an experiment there is no criterion for whether the experiment has been set up correctly, so these interpretations are wildly impractical, philosophical mutterings to the contrary notwithstanding.

If you take quantum theory as a description of reality instead of ignoring it or trying to modify it, then it implies that reality on a large scale is described by a structure that looks a bit like a collection of parallel universes. This is often called the many worlds interpretation of quantum theory. Other interpretations require modifying quantum theory in ways that are difficult to reconcile with QFT:

https://arxiv.org/abs/2205.00568

And the Everett interpretation has been used to explain issues such as the propagation of information in entanglement experiments:

https://arxiv.org/abs/2207.09020

If you want to learn QFT there are good and relatively easy to understand books that don't take an explicit position on the interpretation issue such as "Quantum Field Theory in a Nutshell" by Zee and "Quantum Field Theory for the Gifted Amateur" by Lancaster and Blundell.

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I have been told that Quantum fields are the real "fundamental" of reality and particles are excitations in these omnipresent fields.

Call it the A belief.

I have also been told by no less credible sources that Quantum fields are instead simply a good mathematical "abstraction" and a fine way to quantum mechanically "describe" reality, namely elementary particles - as excitations in the Fock states of their respective quantum fields.

Call it the B belief.

A is an ancient proposition , which started with the mathematics and philosophy of ancient Greece.

There are the platonists, who, according to Plutarch believed that

ἀεὶ ὁ θεὸς γεωμετρεῖ

Always the great God applies geometry to the universe

This is the point of view of the people believing fervently A, god being substituted by beautiful mathematical theories. They expect that everything flows from mathematics. I would call them Platonists.

B are the people who since the enlightenment have laboriously experimentally studied nature applying the appropriate mathematics to get theories that will describe data and also, very important, be predictive of new data. They use the mathematics with extra axioms that connect measurements and units to the mathematical outcomes, and freely acknowledge that they are using mathematical models, not discovering a mathematical universe. I would call them pragmatists.

Maybe my answer here will help a bit in this.

Now if, and it is a big if, a mathematical theory of everything is found in the future, that is always correct, one could say that the people who believe in A are correct. Until then it is an open question AFAIK.

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It depends what you define as reality. Is there some underlying and humanly accessible true description of reality (true in the sense of Plato)? Perhaps.

Is there no such humanly accessible true description of reality (Kant perhaps thinks so)? Perhaps.

The first order question you must then answer is whether you believe in an "absolute truth" or not. I personally don't think this question can be answered.

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We can't observe the field directly but we know it's there.

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