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I know that $N = W \cos \theta$ where $W = mg$, but while reading about circular motion of a car on the banked road, the two forces were balanced as $N \cos \theta = W$. How is this possible?

I know this has already been asked before, but I did not understand any of the answers. enter image description here

omcric
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    Please give us link to the reference where you read $N\cos\theta=mg$, so we can see the coordinate system used. – Bob D Jan 01 '22 at 19:30
  • @BobD I have added an image from the pdf which I am reading – omcric Jan 01 '22 at 19:49
  • I think this example is pretty straight-forward, it can't be more cleaner. Due to the fact that surface where car sits is at an angle with horizontal plane and given the fact that normal force must be perpendicular to the surface plane - two normal force projections arises - horizontal & vertical. Divide these two projections by each other and you'll get $\tan \theta$. What's not clear here ? – Agnius Vasiliauskas Jan 01 '22 at 20:36

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You are confusing circular motion with motion on an inclined plane. The most important difference is where does the net force points to: (i) for the latter the net force is in the direction of the inclined plane, and (ii) for the former the net force is in the horizontal direction, i.e. towards the center of circular motion.

For the motion on an inclined plane, the object moves along the surface, i.e. there are forces in both vertical and horizontal directions whose resultant is in the direction of the inclined plane.

For the circular motion there is no net force in the vertical direction, i.e. there is only force component in the horizontal direction which is in the direction of the center of circular motion. Hence the term centripetal force or radial force.

The trick to understand this is that you start from the net (resultant) force and then solve what normal force must be in order to satisfy the initial assumption.

I will emphasize once more the initial assumption for circular motion on banked roads: (i) the car does not move in vertical direction, and (ii) there is net force in the direction of the center of circular motion.


Let’s say that the road is at angle $\theta$ to the horizontal surface. Then the road exerts normal force on the car at the angle $(90^\circ - \theta)$ to horizontal. Since the car is in equilibrium in the vertical direction, according to the first Newton’s law we have:

$$w - n \cdot \cos \theta = 0 \tag 1$$

where $w$ is the car’s weight:

$$w = m \cdot g \tag 2$$

The only force in the horizontal direction is the projection of the normal force to horizontal:

$$F_\text{net} = n \cdot \cos (90^\circ - \theta) = n \cdot \sin \theta \tag 3$$

The net force in horizontal direction is actually the centripetal force that acts always towards the center of circular motion. According to the second Newton’s law we have:

$$F_\text{net} = m \cdot a \tag 4$$

By combining all these equations we finally get the expression for the centripetal acceleration:

$$\boxed{a = g \cdot \tan \theta}$$

where the centripetal acceleration is defined as:

$$\boxed{a = \frac{v^2}{R}}$$

where $v$ is car's speed and $R$ is radius of the circular motion. Here you can find derivation of the expression for the centripetal acceleration: https://physics.stackexchange.com/a/685423/149541

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  • but why I get two different cases as normal force should be same every time – omcric Jan 01 '22 at 18:06
  • @omcric I think you are confusing circular motion with motion on an inclined plane. I extended my answer, please check if it answers your question now. – Marko Gulin Jan 01 '22 at 18:23
  • if we consider two cases of banked road, both with same banking angles, first case of car being at rest (N=mgcos theta) and second case of car moving in a circle, then N cos theta = mg, but shouldn't the normal reaction be same in both cases? – omcric Jan 01 '22 at 18:33
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    @omcric, Normal force is not a fixed physical quantity and is not necessarily $mg cos \theta$. That formula is specific to motion on an inclined plane, as this answer explains. – Cross Jan 01 '22 at 18:37
  • @omcric The most important difference is where does the net force points to: in first case along the inclined plane, in the second case in the horizontal direction. The normal force is not the same. Try to understand simpler example: an elevator accelerating upwards or downwards. In this example the normal force does not equal weight! – Marko Gulin Jan 01 '22 at 18:41
  • isn't normal force a component of reaction of weight? – omcric Jan 01 '22 at 18:42
  • @omcric No, the normal force does not equal weight. The trick to understand this is that you start from the net force and then solve what normal force must be in order to satisfy the initial assumption. Check here for simple example with an accelerating elevator: https://physics.stackexchange.com/a/686220/149541 – Marko Gulin Jan 01 '22 at 22:27
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but while reading about circular motion of a car on the banked road, the two forces were balanced as $N \cos \theta = W$. How is this possible?

It is one of the equations that are needed in order to determine the maximum speed the car can have without sliding on a frictionless banked turn.

The example you have been given is for a car on a banked, frictionless road. The free body diagram where friction is included is shown in the Figure below (source:http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Mechanics/carbank.html).

If the road is frictionless, then $\mu_{s}=0$.

There is a net force (centripetal force) acting in the $x$-direction (along the radius of the turn towards the center) which is needed for the car to turn. For a frictionless surface

$$\sum F_{x}=m\frac{v^2}{r}=N\sin\theta$$ $$m\frac{v^2}{r}=N\sin\theta$$

For equilibrium in the $y$ direction, the net force acting in the $y$ direction is zero, or

$$\sum F_{y}=0=N\cos\theta - mg$$

And therefore,

$$N\cos\theta=mg$$

The maximum speed of the vehicle on a frictionless banked turn is obtained by solving the second and forth equations simultaneously (dividing the second by the fourth), which gives.

$$v_{max}=\sqrt {rg\tan\theta}$$

Hope this helps.

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