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In one of the proofs of Ehrenfest theorem, at the last step claims that $\int \frac{dV}{dx}$$(|\psi^2|)$dx is equal to the expectation value of $\frac{dV}{dx}$. Now according to my understanding of basic quantum physics, $|\psi^2|$ denotes the probability of a particle to exist at a particular position, which does not correlate to the probability of $\frac{dV}{dx}$ attaining a particle value, where am I going wrong?

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Suppose $A$ is an observable of a particle on a line, with state $\psi$. The probability of finding the particle in the infinitesimal interval $dx$ is $|\psi|^2dx$. The value of the observable at point $x$ is $A(x)$.

The average value of $A$ is then the "sum" of the value $A(x)$ times the probability that the particle being in $dx$. The sum is replaced by an integral because $x$ is a continuous variable, and you get $\langle A\rangle = \int A(x) |\psi|^{2}dx$, which reproduces your quoted expression.

  • Im really not that familiar with dirac notation, I was hoping you could explain in a much more intuitive way. – L lawliet Jun 18 '23 at 20:06
  • I have changed my answer. – QuantumFieldMedalist Jun 18 '23 at 20:11
  • @Llawliet One additional detail if you're familiar with basic probability math: this is what mathematicians call the expected value of the random variable A (which, physically speaking, can be any observable). – Miyase Jun 18 '23 at 21:40
  • @QuantumFieldMedalist 'The average value of A is then the "sum" of the value A(x) times the probability that the particle being in dx', From my understanding we should multiply the value of A(x) with the probability of that value occurring, I fail to understand why that probability corelates with the probability of the particle being in dx? – L lawliet Jun 18 '23 at 21:50
  • The observable is evaluated at a point $x$, for example, the potential at a point has value $V(x)$. The probability of the particle being in $dx$ will correspond to the probability of the potential having the value $V(x)$. – QuantumFieldMedalist Jun 18 '23 at 21:57
  • @Llawliet This, indeed, is a non-trivial thing, IMHO. And you should've pointed this out before. But for starters, see e.g. the answer by the user Gold. – Tobias Fünke Jun 19 '23 at 06:05
  • @TobiasFünke I indeed understand it mathematically proven, but I just cant make out any physical reasoning for it why should we multiply the value of A(x) with the probability of that value occurring for it to give the expectation value – L lawliet Jun 21 '23 at 14:20
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Let $\rho(x)$ be a probability distribution of some random variable $X$ defined on the real line. In that case, the probability for $X$ to attain values in $[a,b]$ is given by the integral

$$P(X\in [a,b])=\int_{a}^b\rho(x)dx.\tag{1}$$

If $f(x)$ is some function, the mean value of $f(X)$ is then defined to be $$\langle f(X)\rangle\equiv \int_{-\infty}^\infty f(x)\rho(x)dx\tag{2}.$$

In Quantum Mechanics, if $\psi(x)=\langle x|\psi\rangle$ is the position space wavefunction of a particle in one-dimension, the probability distribution for the position random variable is, by the QM postulates, $\rho(x)=|\psi(x)|^2$.

As such, given any function of the position operator, say $f(X)$, the corresponding mean value is given by $$\langle f(X)\rangle=\int_{-\infty}^\infty f(x)|\psi(x)|^2dx\tag{3},$$

in accordance to (2). Your question considers the particular case $f(x)=V'(x)$. While I have explained this in connection to standard random variables, equation (3) can also be derived just in QM. In that case, recall that if $X$ is the position operator and $|x\rangle$ its eigenvalue basis, a function $f(x)$ applied to $X$ is defined to be the operator $f(X)$ that obeys $$f(X)|x\rangle= f(x)|x\rangle\tag{4}.$$

In that case, we evaluate $\langle f(X)\rangle$ in a state $|\psi\rangle$:

$$\langle f(X)\rangle = \langle \psi|f(X)|\psi\rangle = \int_{-\infty}^\infty dx \langle \psi|f(X)|x\rangle \langle x|\psi\rangle\tag{5},$$

where we just used completeness of the basis. Now use (4) and recognize $\langle x|\psi\rangle = \psi(x)$ and $\langle \psi|x\rangle=\psi^\ast(x)$ so that

$$\langle f(X)\rangle = \int_{-\infty}^\infty dx f(x)\langle \psi|x\rangle \langle x|\psi\rangle=\int_{-\infty}^\infty f(x)|\psi(x)|^2dx\tag{6}.$$

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