-My question is how to use \def and get an optional argument?
You can implement a loop based on \futurelet for removing space tokens and looking at the next non-space-token for finding out if [ denoting an optional argument is present. This is what \@ifnextchar of the LaTeX 2ε-kernel does.
\catcode`\@=11
\long\def\@firstofone#1{#1}%
\long\def\@ifnextchar#1#2#3{%
\let\reserved@d=#1%
\def\reserved@a{#2}%
\def\reserved@b{#3}%
\futurelet\@let@token\@ifnch
}%
\def\@ifnch{%
\ifx\@let@token\@sptoken
\let\reserved@c\@xifnch
\else
\ifx\@let@token\reserved@d
\let\reserved@c\reserved@a
\else
\let\reserved@c\reserved@b
\fi
\fi
\reserved@c
}%
\@firstofone{\def\@xifnch} {\futurelet\@let@token\@ifnch}%
\def\MacroWithOptArg{%
\@ifnextchar[{\InternalMacroWithOptArg}{\InternalMacroWithNoOptArg}%
}%
\long\def\InternalMacroWithNoOptArg#1{\InternalMacroWithOptArg[{#1}]{#1}}
\long\def\InternalMacroWithOptArg[#1]#2{%
This is the optional argument: #1.
This is the mandatory argument: #2.
}%
\MacroWithOptArg[A]{B}
\MacroWithOptArg{B}
\bye
\MacroWithOptArg at some stage of expansion yields \@ifnextchar which in turn yields a bunch of \def- and \futurelet- and \let-assignments and therefore is not expandable. Therefore, like \@ifnextchar, \MacroWithOptArg is not expandable, too.
(A macro being "expandable" means that all processing triggered by this macro is based on expansion only. In Knuth's analogy where TeX is an organism with eyes and a digestion-tract, all processing triggered by an expandable macro is done in the gullet, where expansion takes place. A macro being "not expandable" means that not just the gullet but also the stomach is involved in the processing. The stomach is the place where assignments are carried out etc.)
Unlike this example, the \newcommand-macro of the LaTeX 2ε-kernel makes macros with optional arguments robust so that in so called "pure expansion contexts" they are not carried out as carrying them out in pure expansion contexts fails.
-Also, i was wondering if there was a better way that to check after each print \ifnum>3 , \ifnum=3 and, so that i get the correct display (i.e. commas except for the last number 'and').
Off the cuff I don't see a better way with your code. But \fib@i recursively calls itself, nested between \ifnum..\fi. With each iteration another \fi will be accumulated in the input-stack. If you do \expandafter\fib@i\fi, the \fi won't be accumulated as they get expanded (and hereby removed) before the next instance of \fib@i is carried out. Besides this I modified your emptiness-test so that \expandafter is not needed and it is not relied on \relax not being redefined in terms of \outer—which would be a very weird thing to do, but who knows...
\documentclass{article}
\makeatletter
\newcount\print@limit \newcount@limit
\newcommand\fib[2][]{%
\ifcat$\detokenize{#1}$%no input#1
\print@limit=#2%
\else
\print@limit=#1%
\fi
@tempcnta@ne @tempcntb@ne \count@#2 @limit\tw@
\ifnum\print@limit<\tw@ \number@tempcntb, \fi
\fib@i}
\def\fib@i{%
\ifnum\count@>@ne
\print@fib
@curtab=\numexpr@tempcnta+@tempcntb\relax
@tempcnta@tempcntb @tempcntb@curtab
\advance\count@-@ne \advance@limit@ne
\expandafter % <- !!!!!!!!!!
\fib@i
\fi}
\def\print@fib{%
\unless\ifnum@limit<\print@limit%
\number@tempcntb%
\ifnum\count@>\thr@@ , %
\else\ifnum\count@=\thr@@ ~and %
\fi\fi\fi}
\makeatother
\begin{document}
\fib{20}
\fib[1]{10}
\end{document}
However, i was wondering if it is better to use recursion or loop in this case?
\loop is a recursive macro. ;-)
But it has some shortcomings:
- Its argument, which is delimited by
\repeat, goes into a temporary macro. Therefore if \loop is used to define macros that process arguments, hash-doubling is needed with these arguments.
- You'd better not nest
\loop..\repeat-constructs unless you know exactly what you do. The likelihood is high that the delimiter-matching with the argument-delimiter \repeat won't work in the way expected by you. ;-)
As egreg proposed a full-expandable solution with expl3, I see the need of exhibiting shortcomings of expandable checking for the presence of optional arguments:
\documentclass{article}
\ExplSyntaxOn
\NewExpandableDocumentCommand{\macro}{O{#2}m}{
\message{^^J
This~is~the~optional~argument:~[#1]^^J
This~is~the~non~optional~argument:~{#2}^^J^^J
}
}
\ExplSyntaxOff
\begin{document}
\macro[optional]{non-optional}
\macro{[}{optional}]{non-optional}
% The resulting messages should differ but don't.
\end{document}
I get the message
This is the optional argument: [optional]
This is the non optional argument: {non-optional}
twice.
I expected the second message to be
This is the optional argument: [[]
This is the non optional argument: {[}
and the sequence {optional}]{non-optional} to yield the phrase optional]non-optional within the resulting .pdf-file.
For the sake of having fun I implemented a variant where \fib can also handle negative numbers and where internally an expandable tail-recursive macro \fibloop is called.
ε-TeX's \numexpr is used for doing the arithmetic and ε-TeX's \detokenize is used for checking emptiness of an argument.
In case the upper bound is smaller than the lower bound, no numbers will be printed at all.
\documentclass{article}
\makeatletter
\newcommand\UD@firstoftwo[2]{#1}%
\newcommand\UD@secondoftwo[2]{#2}%
\newcommand\UD@Exchange[2]{#2#1}%
\newcommand\fib[2][]{%
\expandafter\UD@Exchange\expandafter{\expandafter{\expandafter>\number#2}}{%
\expandafter\UD@Exchange\expandafter{\expandafter{%
\expandafter<\number\ifcat$\detokenize{#1}$%
\expandafter\UD@firstoftwo\else\expandafter\UD@secondoftwo\fi{#2}{#1}%
}}{\fibloop{0}{0}{1}{}{}}%
}{+}%
}%
\newcommand\fibloop[8]{%
% #1 = n
% #2 = n-th Fibonacci-number
% #3 = (n+1)-th/(n-1)-th fibonacci number
% #4 = comma-space-separated list of Fibonacci-numbers found so far
% #5 = separator to prepend / append
% #6 = < lower bound of range / > upper bound of range = condition for appending Fibonacci-number to list of fibonacci-numbers found so far
% #7 = > upper bound of range / < lower bound of range = condition for ending the loop
% #8 = + / - = operator of arithmetic operations
\ifnum#1#7 \expandafter\UD@firstoftwo\else\expandafter\UD@secondoftwo\fi{%
\ifx#8+\expandafter\UD@firstoftwo\else\expandafter\UD@secondoftwo\fi
{\fibloop{-1}{1}{-1}{#4}{#5}{#7}{#6}{-}}{#4}%
}{%
\ifnum#1#6 \expandafter\UD@firstoftwo\else\expandafter\UD@secondoftwo\fi
{\UD@Exchange{{}{}}}{%
\ifx#8+\expandafter\UD@firstoftwo\else\expandafter\UD@secondoftwo\fi
{\UD@Exchange{{#4#5#2}{, }}}{\UD@Exchange{{#2#5#4}{, }}}%
}{%
\expandafter\UD@Exchange\expandafter{\expandafter{\number\numexpr#2#8#3\relax}}{%
\expandafter\fibloop\expandafter{\number\numexpr#1#81\relax}{#3}%
}%
}{#6}{#7}{#8}%
}%
}%
\makeatother
\parindent=-1.5cm
\begin{document}
\begin{tabular}{ll}
\verb|\fib{20}|:&\fib{20}\
\verb|\fib[]{20}|:&\fib[]{20}\
\verb|\fib[20]{20}|:&\fib[20]{20}\
\
\verb|\fib[1]{10}|:&\fib[1]{10}\
\
\verb|\fib[-10]{10}|:&\fib[-10]{10}\
\verb|\fib[0]{10}|:&\fib[0]{10}\
\verb|\fib[10]{20}|:&\fib[10]{20}\
\verb|\fib[5]{10}|:&\fib[5]{10}\
\verb|\fib[-8]{-8}|:&\fib[-8]{-8}\
\verb|\fib[-8]{-4}|:&\fib[-8]{-4}\
\verb|\fib[-1]{0}|:&\fib[-1]{0}\
\verb|\fib{-1}|:&\fib{-1}\
\verb|\fib[-1]{-1}|:&\fib[-1]{-1}\
\verb|\fib[]{-4}|:&\fib[]{-4}\
\verb|\fib[0]{0}|:&\fib[0]{0}\
\verb|\fib{0}|:&\fib{0}\
\verb|\fib{1}|:&\fib{1}\
\verb|\fib[0]{1}|:&\fib[0]{1}\
\verb|\fib[1]{1}|:&\fib[1]{1}\
\
\verb|\fib[-4]{-8}|:&\fib[-4]{-8}\
\verb|\fib[3]{0}|:&\fib[3]{0}\
\verb|\fib[8]{3}|:&\fib[8]{3}\
\verb|\fib[3]{-8}|:&\fib[3]{-8}\
\end{tabular}
\end{document}

\@curtabis an internal LaTeX counter, so it's not really a good idea to use it (neither\@tempcnta, but those are temporary counters, so you should be fine most of the time) – Phelype Oleinik Feb 22 '21 at 14:07\futureletfor optional arguments. LaTeX has helpers for that, as\@ifnextchar(ConTeXt calls it\doifelsenextchar) and others IIRC. – Feb 22 '21 at 14:10\@currtaband lots of reasons not to. Allocate your own counter with\newcountBut don't use\newcountlike this:\renewcommand\fib[2][]{\newcount\print@limitthat allocates a new register every time you use the command, just allocate it once outside the macro. – David Carlisle Feb 22 '21 at 15:15